DISQUS

Catavino: Table Manners in Spain: Tackling The Tough Questions Like Where to Put the Olive Pit

  • Brettthewinemaestro · 9 months ago
    Thank you for these tips, especially as I will be visiting Castilla y Leon next week!
    I've never had a problem with olive pits dining al fresco, as many an olive grove has grown besides friends' patios and terraces after I have planted - rather lobbed - the pits into their gardens.
    And I've always enjoyed the paper napkins and other detritus (pits included) casually dropped on the floor in bars - you can always tell how busy a bar is by how difficult it is to shuffle your way to the bar.
    Interestingly, the old, old London wine bars (and pubs too) always had sawdust on the floor, as did butchers' shops.
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    Agree completely! There is something almost homey about having debris everywhere, as if it's lived-in, rather than made sterile. This is part of the Spanish charm to me. Look forward to counting olive pits with you in a few days ;-) Cheers Brett!
  • michael grisley · 9 months ago
    Great post Gab!! Reading this brought back some fantastic memories of the first time I visited Spain and was blown away at the tapas bar in San Sebastian where I was allowed, hell, encouraged to throw all my thrash on the floor! Now, for most this is probably no big deal to most, but at the time I was 16, drank my first glass of Spanish wine and was allowed to throw everything on the floor?? Believe me, this was absolute heaven for a young traveler!!
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    Just saw a great documentary on the Bobal grape of Utiel-Requena. And in the film, they were reminiscing 30 years back when little children used to have a glass of wine diluted with water every day with their snack, or even drizzled on bread. I love this tradition, and am sad to hear that it is on the decline for international products like coca-cola. However, if we're very lucky in our "hard" work of educating the world about Iberian wine, just maybe we'll be able to influence people to go back to their "roots" and enjoy more wine with, or without, their meals. Thanks for the comment Michael.
  • azahar · 9 months ago
    I suspect that Spanish etiquette varies depending on the region of Spain you are in. For example, in Seville, putting your bread on the table beside your plate is considered quite acceptable (though I always put a napkin down first).

    "To date, I have yet to get into this habit, partially because I don’t care that much, and partially because, um…I still don’t care that much."

    That made me laugh. I've never got into that habit either. Dropping olive pits on the floor used to be more acceptable 15 years ago than it is now, at least in Sevilla. In fact, I've noticed that most places prefer that you drop used napkins, olive pits, chicken bones, etc into recently placed bins provided by the establishment.

    Tipping! I always tip 10% when I am out having a proper meal (or even a whack of tapas). If I am just having coffee & brekky, or a drink & a snack, I usually just leave whatever change is leftover. The idea that "one doesn't have to tip in Spain" has always rankled, and I just tell friends who visit that they can well afford a decent tip (and 10% is way cheaper than the standard 20-25% tip in Toronto or New York these days) so why not do so? Why try to take advantage of people who work split shifts six days a week and make a pittance in wages? (sorry for the mini rant, I feel quite strongly about this).

    Is double-dipping considered okay anywhere??? Other than with an intimate friend? Ewww.

    I've never heard the "hands under the table" one before - funny. And as I never eat dessert, I've never noticed the "coffee after" thing.

    Good post!
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    Wow 10%! You're most generous! As a 10 year veteran waitress, I feel your pain. However, I have to admit that as the table service in this country is generally appalling, I rarely feel like tipping more than a few coins. However, if someone actually smiles at me, and says something other than "what do you want", I'll throw my year's salary in the jar! :-) Thanks for the comment!
  • Cornell · 9 months ago
    Gab - I was taught the proper way to eat soup in 4th grade by our teacher - who emphasized that you must always "swoop away". Ever since I have always done it the "proper way" - this may be the only thing I learned in 4th grade that I still remember but it has served me well!

    So as to dipping and double dipping, where do they stand on the all important cookie dunking....is this allowed as long as you don't dip/dunk in your neighbors coffee, milk or wine?

    Fun post - thank you.
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    I have an old roommate in Madrid that was a Megachoc addict - large round cookies brimming with chocolate. On most mornings, he would savor that syrupy sweet flavor sin lactose products, but I had caught him do a few dunks into a fresh glass of cold milk every now and again. But then again, he was Basque, so who knows if that counts :-)
  • Diane Letulle · 9 months ago
    Great list! How well you've observed the little peculiarities of eating in Spain - the coughing out the olive pit thing brought back fond memories of tapas bars.
  • Patti (Mom) · 9 months ago
    Loved this post Gab - makes me yearn to visit more than ever. You always manage to put a fun spin on any topic and I had my share of giggles (much needed in the week from hell I've just experienced at work!). The only rule I follow and it always served me well is to use common sense and enjoy your self......
  • janelle · 9 months ago
    Fun post Gabriella! About the bread, to me it seems much more normal in Spain to put the bread on the tablecloth, not on your plate. And at nice restaurants you will be given a seperate little plate for your bread. And about the tipping, I think this depends on the region, of course at restaurants people usually tip 5 or maybe 10% but some of my friends from the Basque country are very adamant about NOT tipping. One friend claims that in his small town they will run out the door after you to give you the change if you leave a tip, and its taken as somewhat of an insult. I also know a bar in Madrid that doesn't really like tips, but another one that rings a cowbell everytime they are left one. I think I have never seen anyone tip at a nightclub or bar where food is not served. Especially if there is a cover to get in.
    Besos!
    J.
  • The Winesleuth · 9 months ago
    HAHAHAHA! Reading this took me right back to my years in Argentina and reminds me why I decided to live in London! ;-)

    Although the first time I EVER saw someone eat a hamburger with a knife and fork was here in London - those eccentric Brits!
  • Steven Capsuto · 9 months ago
    You missed an important one: where to set down your utensils when you pause in the middle of eating. If you cross the knife and fork on the plate, it can be interpreted as meaning you didn't like the food.

    If you put the knife and fork together sloping diagonally down (like the hands of a clock at 4:20) it means "I'm done eating, so please remove this plate."

    So if you're just pausing, set the knife and fork down on the table, next to the plate.

    --
    Steven
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    Good point on the utensils Steven! Definitely make sure the fork and knife are separated if you're still enjoying your meal!
  • Steven Capsuto · 9 months ago
    One of bread's main purposes in a Spanish meal is as a utensil, used for shoving loose foods onto your fork (rice, peas, etc.). I've been told that using a knife or, worse, a finger to shove said items onto the fork is considered tacky, or at least foreign.
  • Dave · 9 months ago
    Great tips. I love the last one, so very true and one of the things I love about Spain.I agree on the bread thing, it seems to be bread on the table at home and on a plate at restaurants from my experience. Slurping the milk from your cereal bowl seems to be a no no as well (I still do it away)

    I always hear that Spanish people don't give good service and don't smile, I've not had that problem more in Spain than anywhere else than other places. I find London very bad on this front...Maybe its my Aussie accent (both in Spanish and English!)
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    It's funny, because the longer I live here, the less I actually "see" the no service with a smile. Coming from the American culture, where good business is depended on a false forced smile, I've always felt as if the Spanish tend to be express whatever emotional whim they feel for the day. This has slowly become less of an issue for me the more I live here, because by the end of the day, as long as people are genuine with me, I couldn't be more pleased - not to say that a smile wouldn't be warmly accepted.

    By the way, is the aussie brit issue really that overt?
  • dave · 9 months ago
    It's funny, I'd rather have an honest grumpy person serve me than a false smile person, but that has changed as I get older I think. However, there is also the Aussie habbit of being a smart arse, which usually gets people smiling too. So perhaps I just like the honesty in Spain? Not sure.

    The aussie/brit thing is an issue at times(i.e. you colonials should be serving my beer, not drinking it!), but for the most part it's just that London is gloomy and a massive city and Melbourne is smaller and generally sunny so people adjust their attitudes accordingly. There
  • Miltonpt · 9 months ago
    These table manners also apply to Portugal!
  • gabriellaopaz · 9 months ago
    Hey Milton! Are there any others you would add to the list that are unique to Portugal?
  • Richard James · 9 months ago
    Having spent quite a bit of time eating in different parts of Spain, this is as informative as it is amusing. Muy bien Gabriella, or molt bé as our Catalan friends would say (did I get that right?).
    Luego
    Richard
  • Troy · 8 months ago
    "few people will order a glass outside of meal time"

    ?????

    You really must leave the coastal regions and venture inland. Come out to Extremadura and observe the locals drinking wine at any time of day....with a bit of tapas of course. Unfortunately it seems the beauty of the sea has brought too many a northerner and their hang ups seem to be catchy.

    No need for nordic politically correct vaccinations out here....yet
  • Justin · 8 months ago
    "No need for nordic politically correct vaccinations out here....yet"

    What a strange comment Troy. I'm still not sure exactly what you mean, and for all you know Gabriella might well be three quarters Navajo. Slightly insulting to Nordic people if anything.

    If you could be bothered to read Gabriella's brilliant piece again you'll see that, unlike yourself, she was making an observation - not any kind of judgement, least of all "politically correct".

    Like Gabriella, I've also noticed that "locals", as you like to call them, in my inland and very Spanish town, tend to drink alcohol with meals and tend not to drink it between meals. The only people in my town able to spend all and any hour of the day in bars having a drink are the "parados", the unemployed. As I'm sure you already know Extremadura has one of the highest rates of unemployment in the European Union, so I imagine the people you have noticed are some of the many Extremeños in this unfortunate position.